Thread: Queen On SACD - DR Scores

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Post by progboy August 19, 2013 (1 of 22)
Just wondering if anyone knows hows he DR (Dynamic Ranges ) score are for the new Queen SACD's?

I see a few have been posted on the DR Database site but they have quite poor DR scores (assuming they analyzed the SACD layer vs the RBCD layer)....

it would be a shame if these are the true SACD DR scores !

Post by hooperthom August 19, 2013 (2 of 22)
progboy said:

Just wondering if anyone knows hows he DR (Dynamic Ranges ) score are for the new Queen SACD's?

I don't think its even out yet.

Post by Claude August 19, 2013 (3 of 22)
The Queen SACDs are single layer. What was analyzed is a 24/88 PCM conversion of a PS3 SACD rip. There is no dynamic compression involved in that conversion, so the DSD signal will not be more dynamic.

Here are three of the 2011 album reissues:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=29413
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=19124
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=29414

Post by Kveld-Úlfr August 19, 2013 (4 of 22)
hooperthom said:

I don't think its even out yet.

They all came out in 2011-2012, if I remember correctly.

Post by Kveld-Úlfr August 19, 2013 (5 of 22)
Claude said:

The Queen SACDs are single layer. What was analyzed is a 24/88 PCM conversion of a PS3 SACD rip. There is dynamic compression involved in that conversion, so the DSD signal will not be more dynamic.

Here are three of the 2011 album reissues:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=29413
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=19124
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/details.php?id=29414

Well, this is simple plain horror. I always suspected compression in these Bob Ludwig remasters (which were basically intended for RBCD broad market anyway), and now I'm sure of it. Figures don't lie.

Thanks, Universal Japan, for using Bob Ludwig wide-commercial 96/24 remasters... a cheap opportunity to fill your pockets with someone else's work, instead of spending money for the good cause : properly remastering these discs by your own process, which never disappointed me...

Anyway, poor DR, but excellent SQ. I love these Queen SHM SA-CDs despite their flaws. Just too bad they use Bob Ludwig's remasters. It could've been perfect with a more audiophile treatment.

Post by hooperthom August 19, 2013 (6 of 22)
Kveld-Úlfr said:

They all came out in 2011-2012, if I remember correctly.

I was thinking of the new Blu Ray, I have many of the SHM-SACD and they sound very good so i don't go by those DR ratings.

Post by Claude August 19, 2013 (7 of 22)
Claude said:

There is dynamic compression involved in that conversion

Sorry, I meant to write *no* compression. Fixed.

The Bob Ludwig mastering is compressed of course.

Post by hooperthom August 19, 2013 (8 of 22)
Claude said:

The Queen SACDs are single layer. What was analyzed is a 24/88 PCM conversion of a PS3 SACD rip. There is no dynamic compression involved in that conversion, so the DSD signal will not be more dynamic.

if its analyzed at 24/88, not an accurate way of measuring SACD's DR is it.

Post by Claude August 19, 2013 (9 of 22)
It's a very good approximation.

BTW, the change in bitrate and sampling rate will not affect the DR value. If a CD and a 24/96 download use the same mastering (i.e. the CD is just downconverted from a 24/96 master, with no other changes), the DR value will be the same. I've checked that with several ECM albums available on HDtracks that had on CD.

Post by hooperthom August 19, 2013 (10 of 22)
I just wonder how accurate the DR database really is. If it was done by one person I would trust it more.

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