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Discussion: Maderna: Complete Works for Orchestra, Vol. 5 - Tamayo

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Post by fausto K April 5, 2014 (1 of 12)
In the April edition of the German Fono Forum they deem this recording worthy of the full 5 stars for interpretation and recording. Especially Zehetmair's playing is lauded: sometimes "roughened up", sometimes "of a paper thin-skinnedness"; "despite the montage technique and aleatory sections [...] the rhapsodic variety of thoughts form an integrated whole and is even so an adventure".
The reviewer surmises it's perhaps the most beautiful violin concerto since Alban Berg's. I agree wholeheartedly.
As to the piano concerto included here: its expressiveness is equally impressively brought to the fore.

Although the dynamic range of this disc is more than sufficiently wide and deep, I do hear some congestion and unwanted brightness, especially at the start of the disc, especially at high volumes. Might this be due to the fact that, unlike the previous instalments of this Maderna series, the source file for this disc is 24/44.1 (i.e. not really hires)? That said, the recording overall is hugely satisfying (I can't tell for MC).

Post by Polarius T April 5, 2014 (2 of 12)
Yes; the players are superb on this disc, especially Zehetmair (to take nothing off Bellheim). As is the music. And the recording.

Post by Lute April 5, 2014 (3 of 12)
I am slowly working on this series. Enjoying Vol.1-3 so far. I am glad to hear it's going from strength to strength. NEOS multichannel sound is usually pretty good, sometimes exceptional...(despite the lower bit rate). Of course I would welcome an upgrade to 24/96 like Audite seems to have recently done.

Post by steviev April 5, 2014 (4 of 12)
fausto K said:

....Although the dynamic range of this disc is more than sufficiently wide and deep, I do hear some congestion and unwanted brightness, especially at the start of the disc, especially at high volumes. Might this be due to the fact that, unlike the previous instalments of this Maderna series, the source file for this disc is 24/44.1 (i.e. not really hires)? That said, the recording overall is hugely satisfying (I can't tell for MC).

There are over-bright and congested 24/96 recordings -- 24/44's got nothing to do with it.

Post by fausto K April 6, 2014 (5 of 12)
Lute said:

I am slowly working on this series. Enjoying Vol.1-3 so far. I am glad to hear it's going from strength to strength. NEOS multichannel sound is usually pretty good, sometimes exceptional...(despite the lower bit rate). Of course I would welcome an upgrade to 24/96 like Audite seems to have recently done.

I especially recommend vol. 4; in my view, Quadrivium and Aura are two of the most enthralling orchestral pieces in post-war new music, and this interpretation matches that of Sinopoli (on DG).
here's a review of the disc:
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/mar/28/maderna-quadrivium-tamayo-cd-review

Post by Lute April 7, 2014 (6 of 12)
fausto K said:
Thanks for the link and recommendation! I am as eager as ever to continue on to Vol.4 and 5.

Here is a 2-part interview with Maderna. Hope you enjoy it.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2QhPVSGPcoE

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc0S9qY7AI0

Post by fausto K April 8, 2014 (7 of 12)
Lute said:

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Thanks for those links!

And now those late Nono orchestral works should be released on SACD, esp. "A Carlo Scarpa" and "No Hay Caminos, Hay Que Caminar". With their huge dynamics, these works call for the SACD treatment. I suggest NEOS or Col Legno commission Tamayo/Frankfurt RSO to record this, together with early Nono orchestral work ("Variazioni", "Due espressioni").

Post by Polarius T April 8, 2014 (8 of 12)
fausto K said:

Thanks for those links!

And now those late Nono orchestral works should be released on SACD, esp. "A Carlo Scarpa" and "No Hay Caminos, Hay Que Caminar". With their huge dynamics, these works call for the SACD treatment. I suggest NEOS or Col Legno commission Tamayo/Frankfurt RSO to record this, together with early Nono orchestral work ("Variazioni", "Due espressioni").

Now that would be great. But meanwhile I'm happy returning to these works in the expert hands of Abbado, who was a very close personal friend of Nono's, in the "Caminos/caminar" (on DGG), and Gielen, who's otherwise an excellent exponent of modern music (in "Carlo Scarpa," "Caminos/caminar," and the Variazioni (on Astree Auvidis).

The "Espressioni," I think, is only available on an old (early '50s) taping from the Donaueschinger Musiktage, so that would be just spectacular to have in a newer recording. Orchestras, individual playing skills, and technical recording capabilities have improved vastly since those days.

Post by fausto K April 8, 2014 (9 of 12)
Polarius T said:

Now that would be great. But meanwhile I'm happy returning to these works in the expert hands of Abbado, who was a very close personal friend of Nono's, in the "Caminos/caminar" (on DGG), and Gielen, who's otherwise an excellent exponent of modern music (in "Carlo Scarpa," "Caminos/caminar," and the Variazioni (on Astree Auvidis).

The "Espressioni," I think, is only available on an old (early '50s) taping from the Donaueschinger Musiktage, so that would be just spectacular to have in a newer recording. Orchestras, individual playing skills, and technical recording capabilities have improved vastly since those days.

indeed, Gielen is excellent (I have the montaigne/naïve disc, which I think is a late 80s recording of Scarpa + Caminos).
I don't know the Abbado recording -- could you specify which one it is? I do have Abbado+Pollini for the Como una ola... (I once heard Pollini live for the Sofferte Onde Serene... can't be beat!)

As to the No Hay Caminos, there is also a newish recording on Kairos, with the WDR SO Köln under Emilio Pomarico, from 2004. That could have been a SACD. Great recording and sound. And Col legno did release, in 2001, a recording of No Hay Caminos + Variazioni, under conductor Mario Venzago and the SO Basel. But that's just redbook too. (I have that disc, but it's still unopened, so I don't know how good it is)

I think you're right about Espressioni: do you refer to that Rosbaud recording (available on Col legno)? Pretty odd that since the Uraufführung nobody has cared to record this again.

Post by Polarius T April 8, 2014 (10 of 12)
fausto K said:

I don't know the Abbado recording -- could you specify which one it is? I do have Abbado+Pollini for the Como una ola... (I once heard Pollini live for the Sofferte Onde Serene... can't be beat!)

As to the No Hay Caminos, there is also a newish recording on Kairos, with the WDR SO Köln under Emilio Pomarico, from 2004. That could have been a SACD.

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I think you're right about Espressioni: do you refer to that Rosbaud recording (available on Col legno)? Pretty odd that since the Uraufführung nobody has cared to record this again.

Hi,

The Abbado recording is on the above; it is a hypnotic performance. (And yes, I too once heard Pollini do the same, live: simply astonising. I recall Nono having said something like that the reason he wanted Pollini to be the primary performer for this work was that, while all other pianists could do his staccato notes in three or four different ways, Pollini had 101 distinct touches for them. So true.)

Right; I forgot that Kairos release; I'd bought it primarily for the "Ayacucho." Kairos' sonics are always excellent.

And yes, the Rosbaud one. Would really be great if someone would redo it.

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