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Discussion: Nielsen: Symphonies Nos. 1 & 4 - Gilbert

Posts: 10

Post by Euell Neverno September 10, 2014 (1 of 10)
Anyone care to comment on this new release of Nielsen's Symphonies 1 and 4 on Dacapo with Alan Gilbert and the NY Phil.?

I very much liked Gilbert's exciting Nielsen 2 and 3 on Dacapo (despite some comments that it was insufficiently daring), and while the seams may be showing in Nielsen's First, it is a favorite; go figure.

Post by ramesh September 10, 2014 (2 of 10)
I too enjoyed the only release so far in Gilbert's cycle; the performances were exciting yet witty at times. The NYPO, like the LSO in Davis's cycle, are concert recordings. The sound quality in my system comes across as outstanding for live conditions.

The May issue of 'Gramophone' mag has a review of the parallel BIS Nielsen, Symphonies 4 & 5.
The reviewer notes : 'Alan Gilbert's new Nielsen cycle on Dacapo is where to go if you want fresh blood [ although someone less generous than myself might say that the blood spilt there is of the choreographed, Sam Peckinpah variety ] [Ö] Compared with Gilbert and the NYPO's raw-boned gallop through the Fifth, Oramo indulges in in moments of Alice-like repose and magic realismÖ'

I presume pre-release CDRs of the entire cycle have circulated for some time.

Post by wehecht September 10, 2014 (3 of 10)
ramesh said:

Compared with Gilbert and the NYPO's raw-boned gallop through the Fifth, Oramo indulges in in moments of Alice-like repose and magic realismÖ'

Spare us from artsy criticism. What the hell does "Alice-like repose and magic realism" mean? Having listened to Oramo's 5th at least a half dozen times I can't make sense of it.

Post by steviev September 10, 2014 (4 of 10)
wehecht said:

Spare us from artsy criticism. What the hell does "Alice-like repose and magic realism" mean?

"Alice" was an American sitcom where the main character, Alice, was an uncomplicated waitress working at a diner where she was surrounded by a goofball and often frenetic cast of characters. Alice, by comparison with her coworkers and customers, was a model of Apollonian repose.

Magic realism is when reality is magic, which is a rare occurrence because reality is usually quite mundane. Reality can become magic, however, when you drop a tab of X or LSD, or when you smoke medical or non-medical cannabis. Also, the manic phase of bipolar can transform reality into magic.

Post by wehecht September 11, 2014 (5 of 10)
steviev said:

"Alice" was an American sitcom where the main character, Alice, was an uncomplicated waitress working at a diner where she was surrounded by a goofball and often frenetic cast of characters. Alice, by comparison with her coworkers and customers, was a model of Apollonian repose....etc.

Perhaps because the review appeared in a British publication I had assumed that the literary allusion was to Lewis Carroll's Alice, and her time in that alternate reality we call "wonderland". The idea that the author was referring to the adventures of Linda Lavin, Polly "kiss my grits" Holliday, et al wouldn't have occurred to me in a million years. But thank you for demonstrating my point so well. No matter how lovely the turn of phrase that kind of criticism is devoid of meaning. How is an understanding of Oramo's Nielsen 5 helped by the allusion whatever the writer intended it to be?

Post by Euell Neverno September 11, 2014 (6 of 10)
wehecht said:

Perhaps because the review appeared in a British publication I had assumed that the literary allusion was to Lewis Carroll's Alice, and her time in that alternate reality we call "wonderland". The idea that the author was referring to the adventures of Linda Lavin, Polly "kiss my grits" Holliday, et al wouldn't have occurred to me in a million years. But thank you for demonstrating my point so well. No matter how lovely the turn of phrase that kind of criticism is devoid of meaning. How is an understanding of Oramo's Nielsen 5 helped by the allusion whatever the writer intended it to be?

An exercise in television "erudition?" Too clever by half perhaps. A review shouldn't leave most readers guessing.

Post by Euell Neverno September 16, 2014 (7 of 10)
Although indicated on the site as "not yet released," it is, in fact, available from Amazon. Looking forward to a listen this evening.

Post by armenian September 16, 2014 (8 of 10)
And BIS continues theirs with Nielsenís Sym 1 & 3 with Oramo. The first is my favorite Nielsen, so letís wait and see how it turns out.

Vahe

Post by Euell Neverno September 16, 2014 (9 of 10)
armenian said:

And BIS continues theirs with Nielsenís Sym 1 & 3 with Oramo. The first is my favorite Nielsen, so letís wait and see how it turns out.

Vahe

Indeed. Just listened to the Gilbert. It is excellent. Gilbert's and Oramo's 4ths are quite different, but I like both. Oramo seems a bit more subtle; Gilbert more extrovert.

Post by Deribas February 17, 2015 (10 of 10)
Surprised no one commented on the amount of coughing going during the quieter moments of the 4th. I'm beginning to worry about New York's air quality.

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