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Discussion: The Complete Beethoven Piano Sonatas - Peter Takács

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Post by Lute October 6, 2014 (121 of 130)
rammiepie said:

Why anything, for that matter, Brett....unless of course, Fugue owns these versions on endless loop cassettes ;) !

Redrum Redrum Redrum! ;)

The modern 'digital' era has freed music from the bondage of the charismatic 'super' conductors and musicians. Before, the major labels had a near monopoly on who, what, and how things were recorded. I know many people long for the good old days, but I also need to feel that music is a living art... not something dead or frozen in time.

OT... I agree the new digital remasters of movies have also freed & released the sound of films. I am often pleasantly surprised at the many small background sounds of the wind, birds, etc... that went unnoticed on VHS and pre-HD TV broadcasts.

Post by rammiepie October 6, 2014 (122 of 130)
Lute said:

Redrum Redrum Redrum! ;)

The modern 'digital' era has freed music from the bondage of the charismatic 'super' conductors and musicians. Before, the major labels had a near monopoly on who, what, and how things were recorded. I know many people long for the good old days, but I also need to feel that music is a living art... not something dead or frozen in time.

OT... I agree the new digital remasters of movies have also freed & released the sound of films. I am often pleasantly surprised at the many small background sounds of the wind, birds, etc... that went unnoticed on VHS and pre-HD TV broadcasts.

MURDER, he wrote. To a dyslexic, redrum IS murder! And even Kubrick's masterpiece was unjustly maligned upon first release.

In 100 years perhaps Takac's take on Maestro B's sonatas will erase the memory of Richter and Gilels'....altogether!

And wait until we have 4k x 2k: You ain't heard and seen nutting as what we're about to experience, young Tokyo Brett!

Post by Fitzcaraldo215 October 7, 2014 (123 of 130)
Lute said:

Redrum Redrum Redrum! ;)

The modern 'digital' era has freed music from the bondage of the charismatic 'super' conductors and musicians. Before, the major labels had a near monopoly on who, what, and how things were recorded. I know many people long for the good old days, but I also need to feel that music is a living art... not something dead or frozen in time.

I agree very much with your point in some cases. I have not listened to the complete Takacs cycle yet. However, as fine a recording as it is, I do not feel that he is quite up to the level of others interpretively, not quite "world class". Actually, I am somewhat more impressed artistically with selections I have heard of the Tchetuev cycle on Caro Mitis, also a very fine recording.

Post by armenian October 7, 2014 (124 of 130)
Fitzcaraldo215 said:

I am somewhat more impressed artistically with selections I have heard of the Tchetuev cycle on Caro Mitis, also a very fine recording.

Do not know what is up with Caro Mitis, the last offerings date back to 2012 and not much else has come from them since then. I kept my fingers crossed for Tchetuev’s Beethoven late sonatas but things do not look too very promising despite assurances from Misha, see post # 98.

Vahe

Post by jacek2 October 7, 2014 (125 of 130)
armenian said:

Do not know what is up with Caro Mitis, the last offerings date back to 2012 and not much else has come from them since then. I kept my fingers crossed for Tchetuev’s Beethoven late sonatas but things do not look too very promising despite assurances from Misha, see post # 98.

Vahe

+1 !!!

Post by Fugue October 7, 2014 (126 of 130)
armenian said:

Do not know what is up with Caro Mitis, the last offerings date back to 2012 and not much else has come from them since then. I kept my fingers crossed for Tchetuev’s Beethoven late sonatas but things do not look too very promising despite assurances from Misha, see post # 98.

Vahe

+2 I think his series is the perfect combo of superb sound,insightful interpretations, and virtuosic playing.

Post by undertone October 7, 2014 (127 of 130)
Lute said:

The modern 'digital' era has freed music from the bondage of the charismatic 'super' conductors and musicians. I know many people long for the good old days, but I also need to feel that music is a living art... not something dead or frozen in time.

I agree whole-heartedly.

One of the pleasures of this set is that I could approach Peter Takács's performances without the baggage of past experiences and reactions. Having no previous exposure to this artist freed me to listen with less prejudgment.

Post by Iain October 7, 2014 (128 of 130)
rammiepie said:

A very good point, Fugue. But in the digital age, especially with a technically superb DSD recording, it's easier to place these performances under the aural microscope when comparing them to older analogue recordings which are sometimes not as revealing as modern technology allows masking negative elements hardly present in 2014.

As an analogy (and totally OT), I recently screened a newly remastered BD~V James Dean classic, Rebel without a Cause and noticed for the first time how pudgy Natalie Wood's face appeared and how her grimaces almost made her look unattractive....something I never experienced before on VHS or DVD.
And Leonard Rosenman's achingly beautiful score never sounded more resplendent than in lossless 5.1.

That's nice that the recording type is DSD, but of more significant importance are the recording venue acoustics, competence of the recording engineers, their recording venue experience and the equipment used to record the performance. Equally important of course, is the performers competence, his/hers' experience and the quality of the musical instruments used during the performance. There's a synergy that should be at work that you can hear in the finished product. If anything is awry, that will also be clearly apparent in that product.

As you can see, the recording types (DSD/PCM) and relevant numbers are a very small part of the finished product.

BTW rammie, have you seen this:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Searchers-Blu-ray/231/#Review

... yet?

Stunning cinematography!

EDIT: My wishes for this BD is for a remaster to AVC video codec from the old VC-1 codec and a DTS-HD-Master Audio 5.1 soundtrack. I do believe the original soundtrack is monaural though, hence the monaural soundtrack on the existing BD.

Post by rammiepie October 7, 2014 (129 of 130)
Iain, re: The Searchers (BD~V), I'm not so much bothered by the VC~1 video transfer as I am about the DD mono. IMHO, Max Steiner's classic score would be better served by a lossless codec.

Post by Fugue October 7, 2014 (130 of 130)
I decided to keep the set. Can't have too many Beethoven interpretations!

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