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Discussion: Borodin: String Quartet No. 2, Cello Sonata, Piano Quintet - Prazak Quartet

Posts: 10

Post by Beagle April 6, 2011 (1 of 10)
This just arrived -- and I like the sound: Micha K. seems to be producing more cello sound than usual -- but maybe its the different Recording Engineers, Erich Kunze and Jirí Hesoun (Karel Soukeník is still the Mastering Engineer).

These works were recorded in 1999 and 2000 (the quartet presumably first, then the sonata and the quintet).

Post by krisjan April 16, 2011 (2 of 10)
Jeff3948 - there is no need to use the "review" button to post comments like you did. In fact, I'm sure Zeus frowns upon it. That is the purpose of the "join discussion" button (which is what I did to post this note). I find your post interesting as it does appear to be a repackaging of an older RBCD release. Will be interested in Praga's reply (if you get one).

Post by Domimag April 16, 2011 (3 of 10)
It is the reedition in original PCM 24 bits stereo of the year 2000 recording.
It is not multichannel.

Praga releases it in SACD "stereo" because the original RBCD was no more in stock and they will do the same thing for their 24 bits stereo Praga records when they will not be available in the future.

Post by jeff3948 April 23, 2011 (4 of 10)
krisjan said:

Jeff3948 - there is no need to use the "review" button to post comments like you did. In fact, I'm sure Zeus frowns upon it. That is the purpose of the "join discussion" button (which is what I did to post this note). I find your post interesting as it does appear to be a repackaging of an older RBCD release. Will be interested in Praga's reply (if you get one).

Dear Krisjan,

Thanks for your comments. I didn't even notice the "Join Discussion" link until I was searching how to update my review. Unfortunatly, SA-CD.NET will not allow me to update my review anymore. You're right, the discussion section is a much better forum to talk about what I found on this SACD. Unfortunatly, SA-CD.NET will not allow me to delete this review either, or at least I have not found out how yet.

As of today (a week after I sent them an e-mail) I have not received a response from Praga Digitals regarding this 1999/2000 recording that has been re-issued as a multi-channel SACD. Just in case SA-CD.NET deletes my "review:, here is my original text:

"Generally I love Praga SACDs but after doing a little research this one looks a little strange. The picture of the back of this SACD says that this is a multi-channel SACD. I noticed that this is a re-issue of a recording that originally came out in 2000 (Amazon link to original 2000 issue: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00004TYQW). This recording has gotten some very good reviews so I wanted to see if the original recording was in a high definition format. I went to the PragaDigitals website to find out more information, but no details regarding the bit rate and sampling frequency were available, so I asked the following question to Praga Digital via their website contact page: What was the original bit resolution and sampling frequency of this older recording from 1999/2000? Also, was this originally recorded in surround sound or was the surround sound artificially reproduced?

I'll let everyone know what their response is. If this really is a high definition, surround sound recording I will buy it and update this review with my thoughts after I listen to it. I don't know about you, but I'm tired of buying SACDs that have been artificially re-processed into multi-channel SACDs without any indication of what their orginal bit resolution and sampling frequencies were and if they were original multi-channel surround recordings of if the surround sound was artificially re-produced (Alia Vox is guilty of doing this with some of their older recordings, sometimes with great success [i.e. Handel's Water Music] and sometimes not [i.e. Bach's Brandenburgs]."

Post by jeff3948 April 23, 2011 (5 of 10)
Domimag said:

It is the reedition in original PCM 24 bits stereo of the year 2000 recording.
It is not multichannel.

Praga releases it in SACD "stereo" because the original RBCD was no more in stock and they will do the same thing for their 24 bits stereo Praga records when they will not be available in the future.

Dear Domimag,

If you click on the link to the JPC website and then click on the back picture button on that website of this SACD it clearly shows the "Multi-Ch" logo on it at the bottom of the back of the SACD indicating that this is in fact in multi-channel sound. I have added the link of the back picture here so you can see it. How do you know thas was recorded in PCM 24 bit? Please show me your source link.

Thanks,
Jeff

Post by krisjan April 23, 2011 (6 of 10)
Jeff - excellent info. Thanks for posting it. Not sure where Dom got his info but it is clearly at odds with the actual disc information. However, Praga has been know to make mistakes in their booklets so I would not be surprised to find out that this disc is actually stereo-only in reality. Looking forward to having this sorted out.

Post by jeff3948 April 23, 2011 (7 of 10)
Dear Krisjan,
I think I will just have to buy this SACD when it becomes available at Amazon and see for myself. Based on the reviews and awards it won this recording looks like it would be good and I love Borodin's music too. FYI - I requested Zeus to delete my review.

Post by Fugue April 23, 2011 (8 of 10)
Would someone who owns this disc and a multi-channel system please put their ears against or near the rear speakers and tell us if they hear anything? :-) (I guess there would be no way to determine if the rear channel audio is real or synthesized just by listening.) It's too bad that a Praga label rep doesn't post on this forum--he/she could solve the mystery.

Post by Domimag April 23, 2011 (9 of 10)
Hello

I HAVE this SACD and I can certify it's a stereo SACD "only".

As I said it before, it is an original 24 bits stereo record. It was no more available in RBCD (16 bits) so Praga release it again but in original "24 bits" SACD (source Pierre Barbier).

They don't remix it in a fake multichannel. The logo on the back is a mistake.

Regards.

Post by sibelius2 April 23, 2011 (10 of 10)
Data entry errors are quite common, if you just keep your eyes open for them. For instance, for a stretch of several years, Dover Publishing would sell you the printed score for The Planets by "Gustav Holtz."

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