Thread: SA-CD.net promoting ripped products

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Post by Polly Nomial September 14, 2012 (51 of 59)
YvesC said:

And, it's maybe a silly reasoning, but just to push YOUR buttons : you talking about 'THIEVES', how can this be theft since the product doesn't exist anymore ? How can you steal something that doesn't exist ? (in the meaning that it's not sold /produced by the companies anymore) ;-P

I know you're being (or least I hope you are) making this point in jest but just in case any "free rippers" come across this, I'll just note that it's perfectly possible steal a Model-T Ford...

Post by YvesC September 14, 2012 (52 of 59)
Yes, I was being silly ;-)

Post by audioholik September 15, 2012 (53 of 59)
Two questions for legal experts:

What makes ripping a disc to your hard drive for your own use illegal?

Why is selling cigarettes (which are expected to kill a billion people in the 21st century) legal?

Post by canonical September 15, 2012 (54 of 59)
FunkyMonkey said:

Why pay £xxx for a classical disk when you can watch a classical concert in a world class venue, even the working class heart of the UK, for £xx??

Murray Perahia is giving a piano recital at the Sydney Opera House next year (2013). The cost for 2 tickets, in reasonably decent seats (Premium or A reserve), is about US$300 to US$400. The venue is far too large for a decent recital, the acoustics are less than ideal, and finding a seat where you can see the keyboard, see Perahia, and get decent sound is ummm 'decidedly challenging'. Maybe he will have a great night, or maybe he won't. After you have spent your $300 to $400 on your live concert, you are left with ... 'ze memories'.

By contrast, a SACD of Perahia playing Bach concerti can be had for $12:

Bach: Keyboard Concertos Vol. 2 - Perahia

... or at most about $100 for one of his OOP SACD titles. You get a perfectly recorded pristine performance. It lasts forever. You can play it a hundred plus times.

I don't like paying $100 for an SACD, but for those who decry the high price of OOP titles, ... it seems to me that they are FAR better value than live concerts.

Post by YvesC September 15, 2012 (55 of 59)
audioholik said:

Two questions for legal experts:

What makes ripping a disc to your hard drive for your own use illegal?

Why is selling cigarettes (which are expected to kill a billion people in the 21st century) legal?

1) I'm not a legal expert, but I understand that while in some countries one is allowed to make 1 backup for personal use, it is the cracking of the SACD (or DVD or Blu-Ray for that matter) protection that is in any case illegal. So even in these countries one is not allowed to make a personal backup... go figure.

I'm wondering, how can hdd media players like PopCorn, Dune etc. have such a succes ? One isn't allowed to put one's DVD's, Blu-rays nor cd's on it...
Shouldn't these been forbidden ? Oh wait, I forgot, people only use it to put there own camcorder movies on it, yeah right.
Oppo was forced by the movie companies to remove ISO-playback from there blu-ray players, though media players are allowed to play back ISO, go figure that out...

What about ripping your legally acquired CD's to your smart phone or mp3 player... isn't that illegal ? I don't think people ONLY have mp3's payed for and downloaded from online music shops...

2) Because the tobacco lobby is way to powerful and because our governments don't give a shit about our health. They are FAR MORE interested in the taxes they collect from the tobacco sales !!!

Post by audioholik September 15, 2012 (56 of 59)
So on the one hand we let one group of people (tobacco moguls) legally murder millions of people, and on the other we deny an individual's right to listen to a purchased disc the way he or she likes (disc player/PC/DAC)? I'm sorry but such a legal system is beyond preposterous!

Post by DSD September 15, 2012 (57 of 59)
YvesC said:

What about ripping your legally acquired CD's to your smart phone or mp3 player...isn't that illegal?

No, that is legal as long as it's for personal use, as it's covered under "Fair Use". A digital to digital copy of a disc without copy protection is legal, such as CDs and 24/96 DADs. To stay within the legal guidelines you have to retain the original version purchased.

What is illegal is circumventing copy protection, all SACDs have copy protection so the only legal way to copy the SACD layer is with the analog outs, for example to a cassette deck or computer. I make 24/48kHz copies for my iPod.

Post by YvesC September 15, 2012 (58 of 59)
audioholik said:

I'm sorry but such a legal system is beyond preposterous!

I totally agree with you.

Let me show you how preposterous our Belgian legal system is:

Since a few years we have to pay "copyright" taxes on every kind of media : CD-R, DVD-R(W), BD-R(W), internal and external HDD, PC's etc. This makes for example DVD-R and CD-R literally DOUBLE as expensive as in our neighbour countries ! And in spite that we are member of the EU (free traffic of goods), we aren not allowed to import them on buy them online from a neighbour country !

Why is this tax ? Because our government says we use them for illegal copies, so the tax is a retribution for the copyright owners and artists.

OK, so any reasonable person consider this as a green light for piracy, right ? But no, the government doesn't allow that either ! Hey ? Then what are we paying this tax for ???

And if you use your media to stuff them with your own files, pictures etc. you ALSO pay the copyright taxes, but do you think you can retreive your retribution because you are the copyright owner ? Of course not !!!

Post by YvesC September 15, 2012 (59 of 59)
audioholik said:

So on the one hand we let one group of people (tobacco moguls) legally murder millions of people

Well, they will use the very same sentence that has been used earlier on this very precise thread :

Nobody obliges you to buy tobacco...

That's an easy way to get away with it, isn't it ?

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