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Post by bissie October 2, 2012 (2791 of 4131)
jeff3948 said:

Dear Robert,

I don't think things are that bad for the classical recording industry. But then I don't have the inside perspective that you do. I have more questions for you, if you would be so kind.

1. I was wondering how much of the fall in SACD sales has been the result of the US Financial crisis and then the European Financial crisis that we all have been suffering from since 2007?
2. Is the tremendous increase in live classical Blu-ray video with HD surround audio (not audio only) discs from the big classical labels (DG and Decca) been effecting SACD sales?
3. Do you see any future in Blu-ray with HD surround audio (and/or Blu-ray video with HD surround audio) discs as the next physical audio multi-channel classical format?

Jeff

Answer to 1-3: don't know the answer to any of them, but here my guesses:

1) The different crises do matter, but they don't answer the decline in sales by themselves.
2) Don't think so
3) Not as long as the license holders punish the label with huge license fees, but I could see the usage for storage capacity (we could get the Complete Sibelius Edition (68 CD:s) or Bach Cantatas (27 CD:s and 28 SACD:s) onto 1 single Bluray each!!!, once they have agreed on one handy playback-without-a-monitor system (as if that would happen).

No, I do believe that streaming is the big threat and, while I don't begrudge Spotify their rewards and success, it will boil down to the following:

if we labels cannot get paid enough to warrant the investments in high-class recordings, said investments will stop, and new production will by and large center around vanity productions. I just read an article in Pizzicato, the Luxemburgian magazine, where Reijo Kiilunen, CEO of Ondine (nowadays owned by Naxos) admitted that this trend already is here. Ouch!!

Robert

Post by xavster October 2, 2012 (2792 of 4131)
Just ordered your new Gershwin disc. I'll continue to buy them as long as you make them.
I must have about 30 BIS SACDs now.

One quick question - when will Wachet Auf - BWV 140 be added to the Bach Cantata series? Or have I missed it?

Thanks for all your recordings. Very sorry to read that you've had to let your production teams go. I assume they'll still be working for you on a freelance basis?

Post by bissie October 2, 2012 (2793 of 4131)
xavster said:

Just ordered your new Gershwin disc. I'll continue to buy them as long as you make them.
I must have about 30 BIS SACDs now.

One quick question - when will Wachet Auf - BWV 140 be added to the Bach Cantata series? Or have I missed it?

Thanks for all your recordings. Very sorry to read that you've had to let your production teams go. I assume they'll still be working for you on a freelance basis?

Thank you - much appreciated.

Answers: no, you haven't. The 140 is in Vol 52, w3hich should be released next month - BIS-1981 SACD

Yes, they will, hopefully.

Robert

Post by Ubertrout October 2, 2012 (2794 of 4131)
Robert, has there been any particular decline centered around June 2011, when, as best I can tell, SACD piracy began? Or is this more correlated to retail outlets closing? Or some combination?

Post by jeff3948 October 2, 2012 (2795 of 4131)
pgmdir said:

Jeff--- I think the problem is that sales are down on ALL physical discs, not just SACD's. Download speed and storage are issues with hi rez. Storage is cheap these days, which is good, cuz downloads can be well over a gig with hi rez and MC. One MC DSD download would take hours and hours on anything but the highest speed. Even Two channel downloads. Most of the presumed customer base is likely to have wide-band high speed. SACD's are your best value, but it doesn't hurt to think about the future. Most people under 35 hqven't bought a physical disc in a very long time (pop music included)

Yes, I agree, SACD is the absolute best value for multi-channel Classical music. Interesting stats on under 35 year olds, can you possibly post links to the statistics as I'd like to see more. I'd like to know how many under 35 year olds actually listen to classical music and how many listen to a speaker system at home for classical music as opposed to an earphone device, etc.

Post by sacd_fan_2007 October 2, 2012 (2796 of 4131)
jeff3948 said:

Yes, I agree, SACD is the absolute best value for multi-channel Classical music. Interesting stats on under 35 year olds, can you possibly post links to the statistics as I'd like to see more. I'd like to know how many under 35 year olds actually listen to classical music and how many listen to a speaker system at home for classical music as opposed to an earphone device, etc.

Still (barely) under age 35, and I've been collecting classical discs since youth orchestra in high school. I'm weird though... I don't know anyone my except my younger musician brother who collects classical discs. Classical Millennium in Portland, Oregon recently closed. I love Amazon.com for the easy access to secondhand recordings and quick delivery of the new Nielsen SACD. But I recognize Amazon's rise is killing off other good businesses. Maybe the creative musician types will eventually infiltrate the major economic exchanges and political arenas to state the case for culture and art. I think too many leaders got through school without the group activities like organized music and sports.

Post by Ubertrout October 2, 2012 (2797 of 4131)
I'm a few years under 35, and regularly go to concerts and such, and of course collect. But I'm pretty exceptional in that regard...lots of friends love my music setup, and listening parties are fairly frequent. A few other friends have a surround setup, but they use it mostly for movies - no-one else has SACD.

Many people my age are into classical music. However, there's also a prevailing attitude that physical discs are passe. I purchase SACDs mainly because I like the sound, and MCH ability. And the whole collecting thing. I don't purchase many RBCDs beyond heavily discounted box sets (such as the BIS Gade orchestral works set). Of course, there's enough of those going around to more than fill any room left on my listening plate.

Also...most people I know listen on their computer or iPod. The sort of sitting and listening actively that SACD fans do just isn't that common among people with precious little time to devote to any one thing.

Post by trntbl October 2, 2012 (2798 of 4131)
I really don't think dissappearance of brick-and-mortar record stores is the problem here. In the capital of my country it happened already in late 90's. Since then I've happily used online resellers; MDT, JPC, Crotchet et al. At the same time the price of new cds has remained pretty much the same. But what a difference is it to buy a 20 EUR CD or SACD now compared to buying 20 EUR (=well, it wasn't euro then, of course) in early 90's!

Kristian

Post by canonical October 3, 2012 (2799 of 4131)
Older people seem to listen with a computer these days. It's easy, and it's compact, so it suits them nicely when they downsize, or head off to an old age home. And they can play their fave tracks again and again and again. All my aunties listen with a computer.

As for SACD ... it's like so underground, so retro ... it's already way cooler than vinyl. :)

Post by hiredfox October 3, 2012 (2800 of 4131)
canonical said:

Older people seem to listen with a computer these days, it suits them nicely when they downsize, or head off to an old age home.

Good to see the legendary Oz sensitivity at it's best. In backward Britain we refer to senior citizens and senior living apartments. No doubt your carrier pigeons will find their way home soon.

Naughty boy, most of us audiophiles of a certain age would rather have our teeth extracted sans anaesthetics than resort to computer based music. Personally, I would submit to multi-channel under extreme duress but really!

If dear Ludwig van was undeterred by deafness and failing health why would we?

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