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Discussion: Eagles: Hotel California

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Post by azure September 4, 2011 (41 of 47)
. . .Sony and Philips contend (and most top-notch recording engineers would agree) that it is not possible to do justice to stereo by having a player generate it from a surround mix (SACD has a separate stereo track - it does not incorporate anything like DVD-Audio's Smart Contents automated-mixdown capability]. In the studio, stereo mixes are made from the original multitrack master, not from a surround mix thereof. Sometimes even the microphone setup is different for stereo than for surround sound.
—Edward Foster, Super Audio CD: Evolutionary or Revolutionary?, Audio, November 1999, Vol. 83, No. 10, pp. 40-47.


Can someone clarify if the stereo track on a DVD-A is an "automated mixdown" as reported by Edward Foster in 1999??

It may not have been a simple transfer of the DVD-A master, if they had to put together a stereo DSD track for the SACD??

Post by Nicolas July 14, 2014 (42 of 47)
Am I the only one to find the lead guitars at the end of Hotel California down mixed? It's one of the greatest guitar solo in rock history and I can't really appreciate it in MCH.

Post by Lute July 14, 2014 (43 of 47)
Nicolas said:
This is another release that (for one reason or another) I have been slow to pick up. Anyway, this SACD has got a perfect 53/53 recommendation score here and excellent reviews, especially for Mch.

But... Is the Mch mix really that bad?

BTW... Have you listened to Lynyrd Skynyrd - Southern Surroundings? Kick a** surround mix! ;-)

Post by Beagle July 18, 2014 (44 of 47)
rammiepie said:
Or was it Big Sur who peed on the rug in the Hotel California?

Thank you Big Sur, for urinating on the carpet. Knowing what we know from the Eagles, The Hotel is that kind of place. Thank you also for raising this (re)issue up into general consciousness.

On the positive side, Hotel California is a literary touchstone on the level of Robert Zimmerman's greater works. Rather than "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate", Hell should have a blinking neon sign saying "You can check out any time, but you can never leave.".

On the negagive side, I am sympathetic with anyone driven from a restaurant by their earworm nemesis; mine isn't Hotel California but the sympathy is still yours to claim. You are correct in identifying WTTHC as the national anthem of The Southwest -- but perhaps there is some irony between the redneck welcomer and the come-from-away welcomee?

And on the off-topic side: have any forum members encountered an HDCD with a brilliant flamenco rendering of Hotel California. Reissue of THAT performance would have me reaching for my pension cheque....

Post by Lute July 20, 2014 (45 of 47)
Beagle said:

And on the off-topic side: have any forum members encountered an HDCD with a brilliant flamenco rendering of Hotel California.

Umm... Could this be the version you are talking about?

I don't see any yellow snow anywhere though... ;-) LOL

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4R6xvEllWr4

Post by Beagle August 15, 2014 (46 of 47)
Thanks Brett,

No not that one; I stumbled over https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4R6xvEllWr4 when looking for my touchstone recording before.*

I continued my websearch this evening and VOILA! the lost chords are the Eagles themselves, acoustic in 1994's "Hell Freezes Over". Wikipedia interestingly notes that the music is based upon the phrygian 'Spanish progression' : i-VII-VI-V.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEpI7t22DVo

And I would indeed cash my pension cheque for the 1994 version on SACD (or maybe even BD...).
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* For the record: snow DID fall in my garden in San Francisco in the winter of '68 -- but it melted about a meter above the ground.

Post by rammiepie August 15, 2014 (47 of 47)
Beagle said:

Thanks Brett,

No not that one; I stumbled over https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4R6xvEllWr4 when looking for my touchstone recording before.*

I continued my websearch this evening and VOILA! the lost chords are the Eagles themselves, acoustic in 1994's "Hell Freezes Over". Wikipedia interestingly notes that the music is based upon the phrygian 'Spanish progression' : i-VII-VI-V. I can't post a link to the K2HD sound sample but we all know a vendor which sells jazz, pop, classical. And I would indeed cash my pension cheque for the 1994 version on SACD (or maybe even BD...).
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* For the record: snow DID fall in my garden in San Francisco in the winter of '68 -- but it melted about a meter above the ground.

I know it's a LOSSY format but the Eagles Hell Freezes Over was indeed released as a DTS~CD and for the record it does sound exceptional (Amazon has one used for $35 + s/h).

It's also available as a DVD with a DTS soundtrack and is considerably cheaper than the standalone DTS~RBCD (also from Amazon).

So far, NOT available as a BD~V.

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