Thread: Where have all the members gone?

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Post by jackan August 8, 2012 (11 of 124)
Zeus,

It was recently discussed in another thread. And I think it is worth revisiting.
That is the use of real names. I would be in favor of it not only on the profile, but also so it shows up when posting. So, no monikers at all, only real names.
In other forums that I participate in, this is the single factor that keeps things above board, real, and a more reliable interaction and content.

Regards, Jack

Post by flyingdutchman August 8, 2012 (12 of 124)
jackan said:

Zeus,

It was recently discussed in another thread. And I think it is worth revisiting.
That is the use of real names. I would be in favor of it not only on the profile, but also so it shows up when posting. So, no monikers at all, only real names.
In other forums that I participate in, this is the single factor that keeps things above board, real, and a more reliable interaction and content.

Regards, Jack

Just want to say one thing, then I am on an extended leave from here.

Uh, no it won't. Ever hear of Facebook and the fact that 83 million accounts are fake? You think that correct names will make it different and the fact is, no it won't. You can certainly track ISPs in order to ban people who come around, but ISPs are also changeable.

Post by jackan August 8, 2012 (13 of 124)
flyingdutchman said:

Uh, no it won't. Ever hear of Facebook and the fact that 83 million accounts are fake? Y.........

I am not talking about Facebook.
I am relating my experience on other forums.

Using real names has been the biggest and best step to upping the content, and participation. In my experience.

Regards, Jack

Post by Jonalogic August 8, 2012 (14 of 124)
Arnaldo said:

Too late, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is back. From now on, any SACD not recorded with a single unidirectional mic dangling from a fishing rod should automatically get a 1 star rating or less...

Am I a deceased Spanish fascist now or a bonkers Arab fascist? Make up your mind.

Look no further as to why people are giving up in droves on this forum. It's YOU, matey, and your infantile cohorts, insulting each other and anyone who dares raise their head above the parapet. It's all so bleedin' tiresome, and, really, no-one wants to read your ill-informed and ill-mannered headphone-driven drivel.

Gee, I wonder if it might be possible to form an SACD web forum where only folk of a measurable IQ might participate...?

I'll just leave you now so you can masturbate each other's diminished egos to your heart's content. I refuse to play that game or sink to your level. Ta-ta.

Post by dcramer August 8, 2012 (15 of 124)
I personally miss Jonalogic's reviews and input to this forum whether I agree with everything he says or not, and think it's unfortunate that there can't be a more collegial atmosphere in which to express one's views. Disagreements and passionate discourse are one thing, but obviously ill-intentioned sophomoric jabs are another - and I'm not directing that at any one individual.

Post by wehecht August 8, 2012 (16 of 124)
The constant bickering is certainly annoying, and occasionally provokes me to my own dyspeptic replies, but what I really regret is the loss of focus on the sacd medium and the music it conveys. Right now there are two threads running on alternative sound carriers, and virtually any thread can be turned into a discussion of downloading at any time, the recent promising thread on Channel's apparently stunning (mine hasn't arrived yet) Mahler 1 is a case in point. That's not what I come here for, if I wanted that I'd go to the hi-res pages at Audio Asylum (has there ever been a site more aptly named?).

My collection of about 700 sacds represents less than 10% of what's theoretically available and I suspect my collection is larger than many. But I get a sense that many forum participants are satiated, that the thrill of discovery is lost. Not many of us have the time or inclination to submit reviews, but it's easy to start a discussion, and yet there are so few threads on new recordings, and of those few the majority peter out after a few posts as, for example, /showthread/85079//y?page=first. We complain about the endless rerecordings of the core repertoire, but there's little exposure of and commentary on anything else. Since I find it hard to believe that among classical discs everything Julia Fischer and whatever sony/bmg reissued on Living Stereo really constitute almost all of the top 25 or so purchased and recommended titles it seems many of us can't even be bothered to keep libraries and recommendations current.

I guess what I'm saying is that if we're concerned about the direction of sa-cd.net it's time to stop bitching about Stephen's handling of new releases and the behaviour of a few persistently obnoxious members and get more active in sharing our enthusiasm for new discoveries.

Post by Polly Nomial August 8, 2012 (17 of 124)
wehecht said:

I guess what I'm saying is that if we're concerned about the direction of sa-cd.net it's time to stop bitching about Stephen's handling of new releases and the behaviour of a few persistently obnoxious members and get more active in sharing our enthusiasm for new discoveries.

Completely agree, +1000!

Post by canonical August 8, 2012 (18 of 124)
wehecht said:

[1.] virtually any thread can be turned into a discussion of downloading at any time,

[2.] But I get a sense that many forum participants are satiated, that the thrill of discovery is lost.

[3.] If we're concerned about the direction of sa-cd.net it's time to stop bitching about Stephen's handling of new releases

> [1.] virtually any thread can be turned into a discussion of downloading at any time,

Yup - I don't know why the download pushers come here. Maybe because it is (or was) a relatively organised or structured environment for discussing hi-rez (notwithstanding the sham issues that float around).


> [2.] But I get a sense that many forum participants are satiated, that the thrill of discovery is lost.

I don't think so. There are lots of exciting new issues at reasonable prices ... maybe more than ever. I think there are so many new issues now, Stephen can't cope to keep up with listing them. I'd especially like to hear some reviews of the Japanese reissues from someone I can trust ... because they are not really impulse buys ... but I'd be happy to buy a couple if I knew they were going to be good, so to speak.


> [3.] If we're concerned about the direction of sa-cd.net it's time to stop bitching about Stephen's handling of new releases

Stephen is obviously shooting himself in the foot by intentionally not listing most new SACDs, and destroying the very thing he created ... the database of SACD titles. The site has gone from being a structured forum ... to a mess of threads that start up and get totally lost, because the discs are often missing, and then they sometimes appear months after the discussion is over. He had a good structure, and he is ruining it. Ultimately, it is his responsibility to make it work.

Post by jackan August 8, 2012 (19 of 124)
I also notice on other forums that tempers get short, and people testy in August, more so than any other month.

Always good to remember, or remind, so that things stay more civil.

Post by DSD August 8, 2012 (20 of 124)
I think I know where some of them have gone. Only a few of us are left who like rock and jazz music, there used to be a lot more posts about other genres, now it is mostly about classical music. This is not anyone's fault but the changing landscape of SACD releases.

Most of the important rock and jazz recordings are on the major labels. While there are still rock and jazz releases coming out they are on super expensive Japanese SACDs, whereas before they were from the major labels European and USA divisions and most were priced the same as CDs or just a couple of dollars more.

And the new jazz recordings were from American audiophile labels who gave up on SACD when the two American SACD pressing plants quit pressing SACDs.

Hopefully the rock and jazz lovers who don't like classical music have not sold their SACD players in disgust and went to LPs and/or high resolution downloads and the rock/jazz market can be rebuilt.

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